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Topic 16 Sun Mar 13, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 18:50 EST
Sub: McSink support
Thought I'd start a topic here for McSink users. A lot of people have
downloaded it, and I can check in here frequently to answer any questions.
60 message(s) total.
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Message 1 Sun Mar 13, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 18:55 EST
So here's the first message - V4.3 should be out soon. Any beta tester
volunteers? It has the following new features:
1.) Find with change and change all, with a 'real' moveable find
window.
2.) Window settings, font info, size and locations are saved for every
window now, so once you set/place them that's where they'll open.
3.) Faster word wrap to window.
4.) Rearranged menu so all window setting parameters are in one dlog.
5.) Font/tab info is saved with documents.
6.) A possible fix for FontDA Juggler + problem.
7.) Etc. Thanks for all the feedback so far...
Dave McWherter
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Message 2 Sun Mar 13, 1988
RSPARGO [Bob] at 19:51 CST
Dave, I'm still using 3.1 but 4.x sounds interesting. Be happy to give 4.3 a
shakedown cruise for you.
- Bob
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Message 3 Mon Mar 14, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 20:43 EST
OK Bob. Would you like the whole thing with docs (about 50K .sit), or just the
DA?
Dave
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Message 4 Wed Mar 16, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 07:59 EST
I've just uploaded McSink V4.3. This should be the last for a while until
V5.0, which will be a major update. Here's a list of the major 4.3 changes:
- Added Change and Change All to the Find command, which also now has
it's own moveable window which stays open after the Find.
- Added a Window Statistics command which counts chars, lines, words,
sentences, and paragraphs.
- Rearranged the menu so that all window settings are in one place.
- Window settings, font/size, and location/size are now remembered for
all windows (even the Find window.)
- Font and tab info is now saved with documents in the MDS/QUED format.
- Added 'action' buttons to all set parameters dialogs so you can do the
command immediately after setting the parameters without going
through the menu again.
- Word wrap to window is <much> faster.
- Fixed some MacWrite Quit and MultiFinder problems.
- Fixed a few other reported bugs. (All that were reported have been
fixed.)
Have fun, 'cause I did,
Dave McWherter
It's in file #8769.
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Message 5 Wed Mar 16, 1988
RSPARGO [Bob] at 21:22 CST
I can live with just the DA but the docs would be helpful to test the things
others will be trying to use. Was it 4.3 you wanted tested or 5.0? Looks like
4.3 will get a thorough shakedown from the masses!
BTW, I've been using McSink since 1.?. One of the most useful DA's I've
encountered. As I think I have said before, thanks for writing it and making
it available.
- Bob
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Message 6 Thu Mar 24, 1988
PHELME at 18:34 CST
Great DA there, Dave!! I just wanted to inform any PopIt users that PopIt has
been properly disciplined and will not zorch McSink anymore. The new version
(1.72) will be uploaded in a day or two.
- Pete
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Message 7 Thu Mar 24, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 23:05 EST
Thanks, Pete!
Dave (sorry for the trouble)
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Message 8 Thu Mar 24, 1988
CSF [Chris] at 21:24 PST
Had McSink trash a file today; Mac+, 2.5 MB, multifinder. Last operation was
lower case, then word cap, then cleaning up a few places. Saved, then tried
to print. Bomb. On reopening, file was garbage.
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Message 9 Fri Mar 25, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 06:19 EST
Uh oh. V4.3? I'll take a look.
Dave
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Message 10 Tue Apr 12, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 18:03 EDT
Need a tester or two for McSink V4.4, specifically to see if it now prints to
a LaserWriter or an ImageWriter LQ. I made some changes to the print code that
<may> fix the crash problem, but I have no idea if it works or not. Any
volunteers? If so, I'll Genie mail you a copy to try. Thanks,
Dave McWherter
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Message 11 Tue Apr 12, 1988
CSF [Chris] at 22:12 PDT
I'll be glad to look at it, but will be on the road for a while.
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Message 12 Wed Apr 13, 1988
SUPER-MAC at 20:54 PDT
Yes Dave I would love to take a good look at it. I would like to also test
our new version of SuperLaserSpooler with it. Please drop me a copy.
-= John Denning =-
SuperMAC Technology (MS/DOS) JUST SAY NO!
Technical Support
(415)964-9660 x2967
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Message 13 Fri Apr 15, 1988
EPHOTE2 [John Crane] at 00:00 EDT
I'll be glad to try it on laserwriter.
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Message 14 Fri Apr 15, 1988
MACINFO [Norm Goodger] at 02:08 EDT
Me too...
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Message 15 Tue Apr 19, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 21:03 EDT
I've just uploaded McSink V4.5. In addition to several bug fixes and some
cleanups, these are the major additions:
- Can now search for one or more occurrences of a character.
- Added Flush Right To Length command.
- Added Show invisibles command.
- Added Auto-indent mode.
- Added cursor key cmd opt, and shift extension select stuff
- New windows without filenames now ask for changes to be saved.
- Added option to open a file dialog on an open.
- Triple-clicking selects the current line.
- Operations on selected text no longer remove the selection.
- Now prints to a LaserWriter (and sometimes to an LQ).
- Added option to print to modem port.
Thanks for everyone's ideas and suggestions and to those of you who helped
with the LaserWriter problem. To everyone who has registered, the manual
should be ready this week, and I should mail your packages early next week.
Thanks for your patience.
Dave McWherter, Signature Software
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Message 16 Fri May 13, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 07:47 EDT
I've just uploaded McSink V4.8. Here are the major changes from V4.7:
* Now saves window positioning information in the document file.
* Added Stack windows and Tile windows commands.
* Added Status line command.
* Added Show page breaks.
* Fixed MultiFinder bug introduced in 4.7 - no longer quits McSink
when switching to an application.
* Various other small bug fixes.
And these are the changes from V4.5:
* Quadruple click selects a paragraph, quintuple click selects all.
* Added Open Selection command.
* Added Find backwards and multi-window find/replace.
* Added Cursor location command.
* Registered owners now receive an application that allows you to
double-click open McSink doc files.
* Various bug fixes.
I've also broken up the upload into three files: the DA, the MacWrite docs,
and a text file detailing only the recent changes.
Dave McWherter
(The DA is file #9612, the docs are file #9613, and the change history is file
#9614.)
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Message 17 Sat May 14, 1988
TOMFERNANDEZ [Tom] at 02:23 EDT
Thanx for uploading 4.8 Dave, I hope that your continued support of McSink
will encoura some more of our members to support McSink.
Tom..........
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Message 18 Sat May 14, 1988
CSF [Chris] at 11:42 PDT
Thanks Dave.
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Message 19 Tue May 17, 1988
MACINFO [Norm Goodger] at 02:26 EDT
Got it, need to check it out....$$ soon....Norm
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Message 20 Fri Jun 03, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 20:02 EDT
I have uploaded McSink V5.0d. There are four files: the DA, the full MacWrite
Docs, a text change history file, and a companion application called McSink
Opener that gives McSink files their own icon and lets you double-click open
them. Here are the major changes...
Added: Now supports 'real' non-draft printing, including Page
Setup and Print Job dialogs. Also, now works correctly on
AppleTalk.
Added: Other... command to Font Size menu lets you specify any
font size from 1 to 127 points.
Added: Goto line... command to Search menu.
Added: Compare windows command to the Misc. menu lets you compare
two windows.
Added: "Always Save main window changes checkbox" to Configure
dialog.
Added: You can now cut, copy, and paste in all dialogs, including
Find.
Added: The McSink Opener companion application. Let's you
double-click open McSink files.
Changed: Mouse-holddown auto-copy and paste are now "normal"
copies and pastes and auto-paste is now undoable.
Fixed: Now prints correctly to all LaserWriters, including the SC.
Fixed: Some nasty problems with the new System 6.0.
Fixed: McSink Opener can now open any size file.
Fixed: Other misc. bugs, too numerous and/or embarassing to go
into here.
Dave McWherter
Signature Software
And the file numbers are! DA = 9857, Docs = 9858, Changes = 9859,
and Opener = 9860.
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Message 21 Fri Jun 03, 1988
L.J.KAPLAN at 22:02 EDT
Hi, Dave. I have a question about the DA. I have tried to write messages in it
for uploading (4.8) and got a strange setup. I'd type and the print wouldn't
wrap. It would go off forever, to the right. It'd be there somewhere, but I
couldn't get it to do what I want. I suspect this is a matter of simply
setting the prefs better, but I fiddled with it and couldn't get it to do what
I wanted. I (obviously) haven't used the program much. I love its ability to
open my huge text file archives while I'm in a telecom program. I'd like to be
able to use it to write stuff, too. Thanks. --Linda
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Message 22 Sat Jun 04, 1988
MACINFO [Norm Goodger] at 02:46 EDT
Linda, you have to goto the windows menu selection and open the settings
dialog and check wrap typing and the radio button for "to Line Length" Other
wise it can go off the screen and never wrap. You also need to set the line
length in the same dialog to the number of characters that you want it to wrap
to....
Dave, 5.0 sounds impressive....will have to check it out....Norm
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Message 23 Sat Jun 04, 1988
L.J.KAPLAN at 06:46 EDT
Norm, I am positive it didn't help, and that I checked both wrap and to line
length. And I had 80 in the character numbers. And it just stayed the way it
was. I am as positive as anyone can be who often makes mistakes. <giggle> --L
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Message 24 Sat Jun 04, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 10:12 EDT
Linda,
Norm's right. You are also. If you already have text and then checj wrap
typing, it won't wrap the text already in the window - only new typing. You
have to wrap old text manually. If it doesn't wrap while you type after
setting wrap typing, then there's something wrong and I'd like to know some
more details.
In general, McSink's wrap capabilities are just a stopgap until I can get
in real automatic wrapping, but that's a little ways off and will probably
coincide with some style and pagination capabilities also - a major
enhancement.
Dave
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Message 25 Sat Jun 04, 1988
L.J.KAPLAN at 23:53 EDT
Thanks, Dave. I see now. I have to set it first and then import the text. Or
set it first and then type the text. I'd start typing and then notice it
hadn't wrapped. That's a bit awkward. Is there a way to set it up to default
to the format I want?
I must tell you I love being able to open my huge archives while in Smartcom,
and being able to have several windows open. It's much more versatile than the
DAs I've been using--if I could just get it to work a little more easily for
writing up the text files I upload.
Thanks again. --Linda
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Message 26 Sun Jun 05, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 09:20 EDT
If you set it to wrap typing in a window, then that setting is remembered for
the next use of that window. So, if you want it to always wrap typing in all
windows, open all the windows and turn on wrap typing in each, then close them
all. A little awkward, but you only have to do it once.
Dave
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Message 27 Sun Jun 05, 1988
L.J.KAPLAN at 12:54 EDT
That's fine, Dave. Thanks. --L
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Message 28 Wed Aug 10, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 18:43 EDT
Unfortunately, I couldn't make it to this week's MacExpo, so I guess I'll just
have to release the new McSink the old-fashioned way - without any pomp and
ceremony. I've just uploaded V6.1 into DL5. Here are the major changes:
- A new menu interface, consisting of a menu bar inside the
text window, across the window's full width.
- Support for color text, highlighting, caret, etc., if you
have a color Mac.
- Support for page breaks.
- Macro capability as an extra cost option (available only to
registered owners.)
- The ability to Read (not Open) MacWrite and WriteNow files.
- Clipboard append Cut and Copy.
- A new Space Runs to One Tab command.
- And a host of smaller improvements and bug fixes.
The full docs are no longer being distributed - only the new changes are
documented (briefly) - due to several factors, not the least of which is a
change in McSink's distribution. McSink, or a superset of same, is "going
commercial" as a product called Vantage. Also, the same company that's
publishing Vantage is also taking over shareware distribution of McSink. This
is all explained in detail in the accompanying doc file.
Thanks for your support,
Dave McWherter
Signature Software
(The file number is #10742.)
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Message 29 Wed Aug 10, 1988
R.BOURGERIE at 22:59 EDT
Rats, just when I'd just about figured out the old menus and (almost) read the
manual. The text file with V6.1 doesn't make it clear (at least to me)
whether Preferred Software will be contacting registered users with upgrade
offers, or whether we must write to them to order. Can you clarify? Best of
luck with the new venture. There are a lot of commercial products already on
the market that aren't half as useful. -- Richard Bourgerie
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Message 30 Wed Aug 10, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 23:14 EDT
I <never> figured out the old menus! And I think you'll find that once you use
the new window menu bar, you'll never ever use the old DA menu. Yes, Preferred
Software will be making a mass (well, a small mass) mailing to all registered
owners regarding upgrade details. The only thing really holding it up is that
the Spelling Checker isn't ready yet.
Thanks for the kind words,
Dave
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Message 31 Thu Aug 11, 1988
EPHOTE2 [John Crane] at 22:45 EDT
The old menu was somewhat awkward (that's not a criticism - you had to cram an
awful lot into a single menu); the menu bar sounds like a great approach. And
the color will be nice too. Great work, Dave!
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Message 32 Thu Aug 11, 1988
CSF [Chris] at 22:12 PDT
Arrgh. I just spent about 10 hours massaging a humongous file, and could have
made use of the macro capability! I hope wou have also fixed the case change
so that words separated by a period, not a space, are treated as separate
words E.G. I.B.M). The file I was treating was all upper case, and I had to do
a lot of search and replace to fix. Would also help if n u mbers were
considered separators too.
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Message 33 Fri Aug 12, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 05:41 EDT
Yes, macros help an awful lot for repititive tasks. Sorry I couldn't have had
it available sooner! The method of word separation was never raised as a
problem, so I didn't change it. I, too, have thought that I should. I think
I'll make it user-decidable as to what's a word-break char and what's not in
some future version (maybe Vantage.)
I'll be on vacation for 10 days starting today, so I won't be able to check
in here for awhile.
Dave
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Message 34 Sat Aug 13, 1988
CSF [Chris] at 13:18 PDT
Thanks! This was the first real production use I had for macsick, formatting a
600k(!) address list sent over from a vax. Came out really nice.
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Message 35 Sat Aug 13, 1988
EPHOTE2 [John Crane] at 23:55 EDT
I'm getting crashes like mad with the new version. I assume I have something
interfering.
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Message 36 Sun Aug 14, 1988
GALLEY [Gordon] at 12:48 CDT
I've had a strange problem trying to install both versions 5.0 and 6.1 of
McSink.
I am using Suitcase 1.2.4. When I try to user Font/DA Mover 3.6 (Multfinder
not running) to install either version of McSink in my main DA suitcase file,
I get the following alert box: "Sorry, there has been a serious problem. ID
= 200, -113" with a button to return to the Finder. Earier versions of McSink
had resided there with no problem, and if I leave McSink in its original
suitcase file, it works fine (I'm using 6.1 to compose this).
Here is the environment: SE with 2.5 meg memory, AOX Doubletime-16
accellerator, Finder 6.0, System 4.20, INITs and cdevs too numerous to
mention. I'll be glad to supply any other information if it will help.
Thanks for any help.
--Gordon
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Message 37 Sun Aug 14, 1988
CSF [Chris] at 12:15 PDT
I ran into that problem once with an earlier version. Do you by any chance
have vaccine installed? That will get in the way of F/DA mover, with sometimes
interesting results (in the sense of the old chinese ciurse "may you live in
interesting times:).
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Message 38 Sun Aug 14, 1988
EPHOTE2 [John Crane] at 22:20 EDT
Yes, I have vaccine installed. No one else getting crashes? Other than Gordan
and me, that is.
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Message 39 Tue Aug 16, 1988
A2.DOUG at 15:16 EDT
I get the same crashes when I try to install some of the Stuffit Utilities...
I even tried to turn off vacine and still no go..
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Message 40 Tue Aug 16, 1988
CHES at 18:42 CDT
Dave,
After looking at 6.1, I am definitely thinking of purchasing the commercial
version. But I have a question, and a bug report.
The question - will the spelling checker dictonary be editable, or will I have
to create my own for words that are not in the supplied dictonary?
The bug report - If you are not careful McSink will replace the contents of a
previously opened file with the contents of a new file. The procedure that
causes this is as follows:
1. Configure McSink to bring up the Open File dialog upon launching.
2. Launch McSink and when the Open File dialog comes up open a file (f1).
3. Choose Open and open a second file (f2).
4. Click in the f1 window to activate it, and close it, thus leaving only the
f2 window open.
5. Choose New and create a new file.
6. Save the new file by using cmd-S.
What happens at this point is that instead of getting a Save File dialog
asking you to name the new file, McSink automatically saves the file in f1,
replacing the original contents. Fortunately, the file I lost was not that
valuable.
Also, I too had a problem installing McSink with the F/DA mover. I believe
that the problem is caused by Suitcase 1.2.4 rather than by Vaccine. I had to
uninstall Suitcase in order to install McSink into my system file.
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Message 41 Tue Aug 16, 1988
EPHOTE2 [John Crane] at 19:43 EDT
McSink seems to be doing okay now. It was when I was changing some of the
color options that it would crash. Or, rather, right afterwards - the changes
took effect.
Concerning Vacine, I'm running McSink from Font/DA Jugglar, so I'm not sure
Vacine is a factor.
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Message 42 Tue Aug 16, 1988
EPHOTE2 [John Crane] at 19:47 EDT
If I could add an item on a wish list, it would be that files open wrapped to
the screen or to line length.
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Message 43 Wed Aug 17, 1988
R.STORY3 [Robert] at 21:50 CDT
I just got 6.1 the other day, and am also considering the commercial package..
But... I was using it to edit a captured text file from GEnie (a large file)
and was selecting large blocks of text (Using the mouse) to delete (by
pressing delete).. It did stange things. Once I release the mouse to delete
the selected text, only to find the whole document was selected! Also, when
selecting material off the top of the screen, the scrolling was jerky, and
selected text occasionaly would flicker between white on black and black on
white.. very annoying..
I would also be nice to be able to open Word 3.01 documents, and to be able to
specify which control chars to strip..
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Message 44 Sun Aug 21, 1988
D.MCWHERTER at 23:58 EDT
To all who left messages in the last 10 days - I just got back from vacation
tonite, so I'll check into all of the comments and bug reports and reply
tomorrow.
Thanks,
Dave
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Message 45 Mon Aug 22, 1988
EPHOTE2 [John Crane] at 19:00 EDT
Dave, I donno if I clarified what I said earlier. I was getting system
crashes on a Mac II when I was setting color options, but after that there
were no further problems. The color settings took effect, but after each
setting there would be a bunch of garbage on the McSink window and a general
freeze up.
- John
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Message 46 Thu Sep 01, 1988
T.CHANDLER at 23:21 PDT
When do you think the new "Vantage" upgrade notices might arrive...I'd
really like to get the spell checker and macros up to speed. Or can I get
those from you? I'm a registered user and I think I'm confused by the docs
that came with version 6.1 as regards the upgrade policies...could you clarify
how we get the added features or when?? Thanks for a great product, Tom
Chandler
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Message 47 Tue Sep 06, 1988
T.CHANDLER at 23:53 PDT
Uh forget that last part about not understanding the upgrade stuff...the drugs
finally wore off and I see it is all clearly explained in the docs... Sorry to
bother you. Tom Chandler
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Message 48 Thu Sep 22, 1988
CSF [Chris] at 21:52 PDT
I sent in to poreferred, and the check came back. I forwarded it to you, Dave.
May just be a postal error.
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Message 49 Fri Sep 23, 1988
WALL-ST at 00:58 EDT
What's the file number for McSink? I went looking for it awhile back and
couldn't find it.
(We're talking MONTHs ago, BTW)
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Message 50 Fri Sep 23, 1988
FBARTON [Bart] at 01:30 EDT
All 'ya got to do is use the Search feature with the keyword of McSink.
That'll get 'ya the file number rather easily.
..... Bart
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Message 51 Fri Sep 23, 1988
ANNE-INDA at 13:22 EDT
Just for you, Mark:
ALL Libraries
No. File Name Type Address YYMMDD Bytes Access Lib
----- ------------------------ - ------------ ------ ------- ------ ---
9858 MCSINK DOCS V5.0.SIT X D.MCWHERTER 880603 23940 373 5
Desc: McSink full docs
10742 MCSINK V6.1.SIT X D.MCWHERTER 880810 64260 710 5
Desc: Text editing DA
9860 MCSINK OPENER V1.1.SIT X D.MCWHERTER 880603 3780 394 5
Desc: McSink "runner" application End of Directory.
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Message 52 Fri Sep 23, 1988
ANNE-INDA at 13:23 EDT
*cha /End of Directory.//
Sorry. Missed that when I previewed it.
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Message 53 Sat Sep 24, 1988
WALL-ST at 02:32 EDT
Iddnt she a sweetie?
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Message 54 Sat Sep 24, 1988
EPHOTE2 [John Crane] at 21:47 EDT
Indubitably.
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Message 55 Tue Nov 01, 1988
SEAFAN [Larry] at 19:40 EST
For those interested, I called Preferred Software again today to inquire about
the status of Vantage, et.al. They told me they were having some trouble
printing the manuals, and they should be shipped in "a week or two."
Larry*s
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Message 56 Fri Nov 04, 1988
SUPERMAC [<< John >>] at 00:32 EST
What is the upgrade fee, or I should say the purchase fee for Vantage. The
last version I took a look at is one heck of a DA.
John Denning
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Message 57 Fri Nov 04, 1988
SEAFAN at 18:41 EST
John: I think I remember it being $40.
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Message 58 Fri Nov 04, 1988
CSF [Chris] at 21:44 PST
less, if you're a registered user; I think $15.
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Message 59 Sat Nov 05, 1988
DALPERT at 08:57 CST
I am a registered user and have not received a notification about an upgrade
path. Was one sent?
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Message 60 Mon Nov 07, 1988
RSPARGO [Bob] at 23:40 CST
Dave - Upgrade info is in the About box [Other menu] in 6.x. I'm sure it's on
Macropedia but if not I will upload it for you.
- Bob
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